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25/06/2008
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Hi, I just found out about this amazing plan! As we face falling rockets during a "ceasefire" it is the initiative like this that makes people still believe there is hope for Israel and future for peace. Please continue your incredible work and ideas, especially now at a time when the government is so fragile and the country has lost so much faith. Your plan could change Israel and its people. Continue your work and get your plan out there for everyone to see!
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Jordan is (78% of) Palestine.
24/06/2008
Fivish
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Yes, of course Jordan is (78% of) Palestine.
Churchill created the Kingdom of Jordan in 1923 as a 'two-state-solution'. This act was illegal according to the Mandate which had only just been approved by the League of Nations in 1922.
It was discussed in the Palace of Westminster 25 years ago and agreed that Jordan is indeed Palestine for the Arabs.
This is the only plan that will eventualy bring peace, all others are doomed to not only fail but make the situation worse.
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A humanitarian solution to the refugee problem
31/03/2008
Calltec
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A humanitarian solution to the refugee problem for whom? The right is abstract and should be for all but in this case ? Israel can´t give up the the right because it is ,apart from the promised land, the only point where you can develope a jewish home for all jews, it is a humanitarian responibility for jewish people . Every people has the right of a home and a citizenship, it is for Israel but also, and that is my peronally meaning, for Palästina. Two states. Either we can have one Israel with a muslim part and a jewish part which accept the tradition each other and can live peaceful or you have two states, separeted each other. But we have terrorists and according Elon, you can´t speak seriously with them . The right of return (it is a right) for palastinian it is no reality more because where should they return? The history is teaching us sometimes bitter that the conditions have changed and we have to take but also to fight what it is possible.
I don´t know on which side the international community is.See the UN resolutions.
Calltec
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For the Auther
09/02/2008
Simon
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I read the article and although, it is a rather idealistic and impractical, that there were some good ideas. However, I would advise you to be more careful when writing articles which, you would like to be taken serious to remove the rhetoric and religious propaganda. When you start talking about Eretz Yisrael and the biblical claim to the land, you leave the realm of political debate and begin preaching to the religious groups who require no further motivation.
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nablus
22/01/2008
Abdul rahman
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As every body knows, this corrupted palestinian authority will not bring peace, your other solution deserve thinking about it
thank you
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one fatal flaw
10/01/2008
chaim handler
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The fatal flaw in this concept is the dependence upon the agreement of the Jordanian government to give citizenship to the Arab population of the West Bank (and Gaza?). We should end the conflict unilaterally, by imposing Israeli sovereignty over the "occupied territories". But we should offer Israeli citizenship to all residents willing to pledge their loyalty to the State. Those unwilling to do so can apply to other countries, including Jordan, for citizenship. Once the annexation is an irreversible and internationally accepted fait accompli, no doubt many such requests will be granted. However, no country will support Israel's annexation of the territories in advance. The very idea is absurd.
The fact is that one in five Israeli citizens is Arab and it isn't a problem. The solution to the "demographic" problem is simply to make clear to world Jewry that if they do not begin to immigrate in far greater numbers they may soon find there is no longer a Jewish State. Israel has never been a more attractive place to live, and, once the conflict has been nullified by eliminating basis of Palestinian Nationalism, immigration will increase to the point that the Jewish majority will be absolute.
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I don't understand
06/01/2008
Leah
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I saw The Last Fanatic and to be honest, I just don't understand what it's trying to say. If you're putting so much money and effort into a video, shouldn't the message be more clear?
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Appealing
06/01/2008
Marc
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The plan is very appealing to Jewish and Christian ethically minded people. What is the appeal to Muslim ethics of constant Jihad until all other religions are overwhelmed? The film implied an idea that would plant seeds of doubt in Jihadists minds. The elephant in the room is the Koran itself, its commandment to wage religious war. How does this wonderful plan even begin to address the religious divide? How does this plan incentivize Muslims to give up Jihad, which is of the essence to the religion of Islam? I don't get it. It makes me see this logical and appealing plan as just as disconnected from the hard reality as are the people who think that giving up land can lead to peace. I also want peace, but this will end up being a peace through victory - either Jews will stand up and overwhelm the Muslims, or the reverse. Their religion does not allow any middle-ground for the long-term.
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A Meme
05/01/2008
Tiburon
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With His Help. Excellent, fabulous, do-able. The concept MUST go forward grassroots, (and the funding possibilities were evidenced by what the Ron Paulists have been doing in the USA) because the anti-democratic (and anti-Jewish of course) structure of the Israeli government will preclude bringing this to the populace in Israel, less so in America.
We can wish that this will be picked up by Fox, and/or one of the major blogging circles (beyond the Jewish ones...though distribution there is no given, and Mainstream groups that have net presence can be channels, (simply presented politely? - we'll certainly soon see).
Dealing with our system of governance in Israel is a Jewish matter. I pray wholeheartedly that R. Elon and Prof. Eidelberg will reach perfect meeting of minds and purpose, and that with Sovereignty will come a truly Jewish Constitution for Israel, and directly elected district representatives to the Knesset, fully and directly accountable to the electorate.
Resolving this shame, that Israel "the democratic state" is alone out of over 80 world democracies in NOT having directly elected and accountable members of legislature, is to me of equal burning importance, and intimately tied on many levels to permanently resolving the 'refugee issue'. Our central justification for Sovereignity in Yesha is neither security nor military, nor even ultimately 'political' - it is rather a central tenet of why we are in Israel, at all, that is: - It is because this is Jewish Country. This must be enshrined in a Jewish Constitution, that also formalizes the centrality of Jewish Identity to the character of the country, and creates institutions to guarantee that in perpetuity.
Of course Prof Eidelberg has done this work - www.Foundation1.org.
I could suggest that a link might be made between the sites. The Foundation work certainly forms the Jewish intellectual and political scientific underpinning for what is consequent to The Israeli Initiative.
Are there resources to maintain a blog comment board in English? With moderation of course...Again, if there are resources, perhaps something could be worked for a live online presentation with FrontPage? I'm just musing...
Anyway, I'm looking forward eagerly to the Yesha Homestead Act - any Jew who wants to come, and will build in two years, and stay for 5 (?) gets two dunam and a mule. (Prof Eidelberg has the particulars)
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Comment to the idea of a Last Fanatic
05/01/2008
Karole Dupont
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This is quite possible when the constitutional identity of Islam and its role worldwide is translated and protected into United Nations organization i.e. its bodies as well as the Christian and Judaic identity in terms of historical legal development .i.e. what did Jesus bring to the world in terms of being a constitutionalist versus Solomon, Solomon was about making laws always more just and Jesus was about making sure that the national culture would support those laws always being more just... Islam is about supporting the world legal developments of those Messengers and in case of disagreements to remain peaceful till we arrive at the scientific conclusion satisfactory legally to all.
The US had a Bill of Rights thus a law that was just even by our second millenium standards but its justice... its fairness was diverted by a Southern subculture of segregation. So sometimes the national Laws are just but diverted of their true national objectives as written by the constitutional legislators.
When Jesus came on earth he could see with his own eyes the aftermath of humanity 's dealing with the constitutional archetype of the wisest man ever to be on earth(King Solomon), for humanity had no constitutional culture... this is what the Bible means when one reads that of the kings following the Era of Solomon one would undo the reforms of the other.
Jesus thus implanted a constitutional culture with his first commandment so people would see the distance in justice in between the law and its application.
The monotheistic spiritualities may have been rooted in different Eras but they all deal with constitutional Law and as long as this constitutional law is not tranlated very clearly into the UN bodies with special emphasis in UNESCO and in the Security Council their complementarity won't be fully exposed to humanity... This is why humanity is falsely led to believing in a clash of civilizations where in fact it is a problem of scientific vulgarization humanity has been facing.
There cannot ever be a conflict in between being secular and religious from the point of view of the righteousness of the Laws because to be always more just a society's legal progression evalutation draws from the Biblical statement that "All men are brothers"
Islam did not renegade on its role of protecting the Jews up till the Nazi Era and if Islam would have been understood and translated constitutionally in the League of Nations, Islam could have opposed itself to the Holocaust even on the ashes of the Ottoman Empire instead it was made unoperational.... while Christianity was deformed and Jews murdered all over Europe... Islam would also have been fully protected against Nazi ideology and the Mufti of Jerusalem would have been tried for his collaboration with Hitler. The Mufti definitely threatened the historical rights as well as lives of the Babylonian Jews deforming everything which is basic to Islam with his coming to Irak in the early forties.
Proportionally to world history this is as great a tragegy nothing less than the Palestinians being displaced... for the pogrom that accompanied his visit was something unheard of in the Jewish Babylonian community which otherwise was at peace with Islam.
Islam in its approach of the Palestinian situation must also confirm its role as Protector of Monotheism and cannot eradicate the terrible legal dilemma of the Babylonian Jewish community direct descendant of the Biblical Jerusalem Jews deported to Babylon. The Babylonian Jews had no desire for dammages to their Arab brothers but could their Arab brothers humanely expect the Babylonian Jews to stand still seeing their Jewish brethen being eliminated when historially the Babylonian Jews maintained the flame of Judaism in those Jewish communities in Europe fulfilling
their Biblical duty of fostering Judaic laws into nations? Islam must recognize the Judaic identity of Jerusalem as a Jewish destiny amongst nations .
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